Greetings back: lots of sunshine it is hot! Hi Helmut, i've read your letter just a minute ago ;-) Nice to see you all at this conference! Hi Stefan Nitschke! Hi Stefan hello all Did you check the GIDE prototype yet? Hi Stefan Tilmann, we just returned from Hal Bowers lecture on the CHEPLAN Hi Tilmann, nice to see/hear from you CHEAPLAN what s a GIDE prototype It's the prototype PCB of my newest IDE interface-... The ZSDOS is unfortunately needed for that, but the rest is like the club/80 net GIDE stands for "Generic IDE", which plugs directly... Hi Beery, you're ne of the US CPM users? into any Z80 CPU socket and connects to any IDE drive. sounds nice I just bought a 40MB IDE drive to be able to demonstrate ** is here. Is Herb Johnson there at the Festival? hi michael Andy, i'm one of the folks that runs this RoundTable here in the states. Herb Johnson has not reported Hello All!!! Hello Michael. Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 3 CA 1 N B.KIBLER TCJ 4 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann 5 MD 1 N PRESS-30 andy_k 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton Hi Michael!!! ** was . Herb said he would be selling not talking.... helmut, you bought one? i've one here, you know the alt-386 one. Hello Beery and Helmut Hi Ludo! Nice you are here! Did you get the software from Helmut? Hello Toilmann Hi Ludo (I'm talking about the SYS1.13 for the CPU280) whats about alexander schmid Jay will be sending it soon Any coments yewt on the IDETEST routine? over Short Announcement: This is Michael's first appearance in a RTC as OFFICIAL CP/M RoundTable Staff. Welcome aboard Michael. Sorry, not enough time yet... I will work on it ASAP. ** disconnected. Thanks Beery! :) Any one hre in the RTC interrested in UZI280 ? ** was . I am sure some readers are interested in UZI280... Hello Ludo. Stefan, I sent Ludo your complete disk set, he was impressed ** was . Not sure what one is, stefan Can you tell us a little more about it Stefan? ** is here. Stefsan. I intend to gert into UZI some time... UZI280 is a unix clone runnig on the reh-design cpu280 Sorry, my modem lost contact due to the heat swithcing off... An adapted UZI for 280? Lots of other things to do and so little time! over Now I'm back - was there anything relevant meanwhile? Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Ludo 3 CA 1 N B.KIBLER TCJ 5 MD 1 N PRESS-30 andy_k 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton 8 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann ** was . UZI280 is a special version for the z280 What about testing the GIDE prototype at the Festival? Hello Ken. Wondering why you weren't here until I realized you were at the festival. This is really of interest for me! ** was . ** was . This is a very nice name Helmut! Yes, sometimes I lose it and do something stupid like driving... Helmut please check it out as my deadline is end of month and Tilmann has to article to me on time... Beside is some one here you can give me source code of vde(zde)and other nice programms .. 700 miles for a 'yard sale'! to do an uzi280 porting ? Don't worry about the article - I am already working on it,... and the drawings are completed already... good and thanks... BTW, Greetings to Bill! how about the cheap lan...any good??? Bill, did you think of the LittleNet adaptor,... Ask him I fI can use his readme file in the next issue... The CHEAPLAN is only an item for ZSDOS unfortunately. But talk to the man or of something else= himself ** was . Tilmann you cheap net is great and much like soem we might build ourself.. Guten Abend fuer unsere Deutschen Komeraden I have some drawings ready for the next TCJ ... Danke :-) my company uses rs485 exclusively, so I know the problems well.... showing the placement and artwork of the LittleNet PCB. sound great... Guten Abend, Hal! This design was originally done in Germany where I was stationed, CSMA/CD How many people are sitting round Helmut's account? 5, .... 20? oh nun sind wir bie Deutsch angekommen about ten at the present time. We're not using Helmut's account... so it must be based on regular net principles... We have temporary accounts (press accounts) ... for the time of this conference. Tilmann, i'know, but Helmut's changing all the time :-) From Jay Sage: run /stat to see real accounts. Ok, right, I also noticed that... The Press accounts I think expire at the end of the month, so feel free to grab whatever you want from the libraries, etc. Yes instead of multiple log ins If you care to leave a few posts in the bulletin board, your welcome to do that too. Sorry, I'm not used to GEnie ... Nice hint, is there more on Genie than on the Internet?? ** was . and the phone costs would be much higher ... than using my Internet access via University in Siegen... Now people youi missed your chance to ask Halk Bower on CHEAPLAN] So I don't think this would make much sense ... for me to grab anything from GEnie's libraries. guess not. did he say yes to using his readme in the next issue??? EVERYBODY: please tell state and city you call from! Memphis, TN Full names Siegen, in the middle of Germany, Europe Woessingen , germany Lincolc/Newcastle CA. USA... Munich, Germany I hope to be moving files from OAK.OAKLAND.EDU here soon. Trenton, New Jersey Carson City, Nevada ** was . Nothing more to discuss??? What's happening on the Festival?? Nothing?? Short conference What all seminars were held today? Does anyone know anything about GSX? Well hello Blair. long time no messages? Oh of course. who is interrested in doing some work on uzi280 ? I know few people who know some details about GSX ... Well, I have been distracted by evil big blue computers lately. (ugghh!!) unfortuneately I'm not one of them . :-) Interressted, yes. Time hmmm, i need the software called Time-Doubler :-) Blair, still have your 806? Time should not be the problem For doubling any time, half the clock!! Did you think this? I'm not currently running the BBS due to a hard disk failure. Haven't had time to get it working yet again. I hope so Halfing the clock, with an axe?? Or cut the frequency of the current to the clock in half. I'd use a saw to cut the quartz crystal in half ... this will also half the frequency ... Blair, my 816 hard disk system died on me, and now running a 806 for my BBS. Bad advice, i'm using a mechanical watch. ** disconnected. Tilmann, what's about the functionality of GIDE? The prototype worked fine at my test computer, ... ** is here. Sorry about that abrupt departure! #a Triumph Alphatronic PC-8. What test computer Tilmann, I wonder if sawing my crystal in half will get me doulble speed? :) I think it should run well on about any Z80 based computer. nice pc, we've six in school with a Veeery slooooow BASIC (from MicroSoft) :-) Was there any other SLOOOOOW BASIC around ? Well, Michael, I preffer the 806 due to the floppy drive that the 816 doesn't have. Would be nice to integrate one to the 816 motherboard. of course the apple basic no, but this slooow one is now implemented/integrated in every application VBA etc. >;-> Blair, but I liked the tape backup that the 816 has. BTW, meanwhile there are about 50+ people who have ... expressed their interest in the GIDE PCB, so I will surely make a run soon! I know... but I have been using a TS-806C tape drive with my 806 for some time, and it seems fairly good. Too bad they didn Blair, besides that 802 has the floppy drives. ** disconnected. My screen looks really interesting ... I have local echo enabled since my modem software ... doesn't support split screens for input and output. ... Now everything is just garbled together. I seen. no one here has great interrest in uzi280. so i will put the source .. onto a public file server and forget it.. In any case, Stefan, you should get Bill Kibler a copy! ** is here. yes please.. Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 3 CA 1 N B.KIBLER TCJ 5 MD 1 N PRESS-30 andy_k 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton 8 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann Sorry, stefan, I don't have a Z280. :( Again: Hal Bower has offered to port OBERON to CP/M Nor I. What about getting a CPU280 ??? thats a good answer not having a z280 yes get one from tlmann Anyone interested in the OBERON? OBERON? OBERON ? well sounds nice also for uzi280 ? Tilman still some of the z280 pcbs available??? Oberon in which quality of implementation? all the stuff which's implemented on PCs? Yes, Niklas Wirth's latest language Yes, I still have about 10 to 15 empty PCBs. give me the source and maybe i will do it It is nearly ready, Stefan! I also have some IDE interface boards and some HGT boards ... need to run an add/explaination about them.. Jay has one or two CPU280 boards left (terminal boards) lying around here. seems people think they no longer available... Yes, publication is poor (/: Don't think so. Jay got some boards after we published the CPU280 ... in TCJ, and he still has some left over. Claudes z180 is getting interest as it is thought to be only new board around... once more. is source of the oberon compiler available for an uzi port ? ** is here. I think that OBERON is not just a language, but ... Hi Joerg a complete operating system and environment... So you won't be able to "port" it to UZI. Hi Andy Part of the parser is available Hi Joerg! yes and a modular one too. Hi Tilmann why not , tilmann ? It is all in a bokk by Wirth still Hallo Joerg It's surely not written in C ! Hi Helmut, I got some problmes - no echo on my terminal!!! Helmut, not only in a book, the complete Oberon specification is also available as files. written in what kind of language Joerg, you must enable local echo. Joerg you have to turn it on (COMM?) If you're using CMEX, enter terminal mode with 'L' instead of 'T'. Local ECHO ON! ** has left. beside there is another Wirth language called Modula2... it was sold by borland some time ago .. There are some Modula compilers around there... One of them is the Borland compiler, but ... there were others too. and was a german product. does anyone knows more about the author ? Sorry folks but must go back to LLama show..thanks for coming and have fun at trenton... Yes, Hal is using the Modula concept for compilation I think the borland was the best one +++/stat Perhw3aps we should aslkk Niklaus Wirth about this... Joerg, enter /STAT without the +++. Tilmann, yes, that is the pint point Ok, Bill look here -> . +++/stat Stefan: what do I see? Joerg just enter /STAT thats the poinrt on the beginning of the line who has a z280 board around here ? Yes, me of course! I try, but I can't - dont know why!? Helmut: CPU280, Ludo. CPU280 Stefan and Andy too, I believe. AT S0=0 Q0 E1 X4 AT&C1 AT \Q1 %C1 And Joerg of course! M200;2 BYE Joerg, you're sending some rubbish data (sorry - garbage data)! Bye Bill!!! ok. lot of potentel uzi280 user i think Bye Bill! Bye Bill ** disconnected. Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 4 MD 1 N GUEST-3 Joerg 6 MD 1 N GUEST-11 stefan 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton 8 MD 1 N PRESS-40 Tilmann nothing to talk anymore ? Ok, I think it's time to got to bed now... to bed ??????? I'm talking all the time It's still too early, it's not even 6pm where I am. Yes, I've got to wake up early tomorrow (oops - today). Tilmann, anything I have to know when connecting the GIDE? Here ist is 0:42, or 12:42 for you americans. ** is here. I assume I just plug it in, connect the drive, compile the program and run it now I#m back again Plug it in the right direction :-) It's 3:44 pm for me. :) Hi Andy, Halk Bower hat eine Frage an Dich! ** was . First initialize the drive with the correct parameters, then check for the READ ID command. Hi Hal, what do you want to ask? HELMUT IS SRTILL LISTENING Did Ian make it to Trenton? +++/stat I am trying to convert the Oberon source from Niklaus Wirth's book Convert into what? into a multi-pass compiler to generate Z180 assembly source for Z-System The problem is that I am not an architect for a good intermediate language can you suggest a good starting point other than the NSC32000 object that Niklaus Wirth's compiler uses? ++++++/stat I think there is an OBERON implementation for the PC also! +++/stat There are existing Oberon implementations for several systems. I have Oberon-PC running here on a 386 laptop, and Oberon for Windows at home, but None are available in source! Joerg, try again to enter /STAT directly and alone in a line That's what I'm doing all the time. hmm, a common used machine (like) language? I can look in my archives about Oberon sources. Habe ich auch schon gemerkt! Normally for porting and language definition used systems are based on description Joerg, there are 7 people around here, active at the moment Andy, I also have the Oberon-M stand-alone compiler from E.R.Videki, and have corresponded with him a couple of years ago, but he was unwilling to release source. Beery Miller, Hal Bower, Stefan Nitschke, Michael Crafton, ... Thank you, Tilmann. languages which could be ported via yacc/bison and lex/flex. Just what is "OBERON" ? Andy Kisslingeer, Tilmann Reh, and you. Is there the complete structured language definition of Oberon ... one question about OBERON. as far as i know it is a language .. to feed into LEX / YACC? for people who loves it to type as much letters as possible.. One of the biggest problems we face in the Z-World is that probably the best compiler was the Hochstrasser Modula-2 compiler, but the last release that Peter Hochstrasser released had a bug, and he cannot be found. OBERON is the language/operating system project the Group around Niklaus Wirth after MODULA. I'm a little bit late, because I had some problems with my modem (semms like I have them still). shure OBERON comes after modula2 Stefan, do you have (or access to) the c't magazine? yes of course I can look now into my archives. But i've to disconnect then for a while. I'm assuming you're There was an article about PC OBERON some time ago... talking again for a while ;-) O-O Helmut says: I bought the c't on my trip it is here ** has left. t( Ok, I wish a good night to you all here in Europe, ... and a nice evening to you at the Festival or in the USA. good night Tilmann Thanks for dropping by Tilmann Good night, Tilmann. Thanks for the press account, Beery! ** was . Bye Tilmann No problem Tilmann, thanks to Helmut for suggesting it. (for all those that did make it). Bye Tilmann, I'll send you mail! One last question, Helmut? None - ok, good luck! No, I think we can handle it will just establish the YASBEC format for 22disk Just defined the Vortex format for the YASBEC lasdt nite Ok, over. ** has left. Joerg, how are things in Eastern Germany? ok people it's late here so good night Stefan, see you! Ok, stefan, good night!! Oh, very well. Our meeting 2 weeks ago was very successfull! Any news from Uli Staimer? ** has left. You had no problems demonstrating the gIDE?? 28 member of our club came to Gusow an 2 guests. Very amazing, we are impressed! But it is also very informative seeing what the CP/M scene is really like over her in the US The GIDE exists only by Tilmann (Beta-tests???) ANdy, could you call Uli to see if he forgot? 0821/993104 Joerg?? Yes, I'm here. Helmut, how did the GIDE demostration go there in Trenton? What do you want to say, Joerg? Michael, we have not started Room 1, CP/M Discussions. Job State Room Sta GE Mail Name 1 TN 1 L BW.MILLER Beery 2 1 N H.JUNGKUNZ Helmut 4 MD 1 N GUEST-3 Joerg 7 NV 1 N M.CRAFTON2 Michael Crafton I forgot it... You said the GIDE exists only by Tilmann ... I'm going to step away from the computer for a little bit, but I am going to keep my log capture on. If I don't see you folks for a little while, thanks for dropping by tonight. Yes, he told me, that now enough interest exists. So, it soon will be produced. Ok, Beery! Beery, we might want to run out soon for the anchove pizza eating contest How many "Z-Freaks" are in Trenton? And ruin a good pizza! :) I already won that one tonight. Well there is only the hard-core here at the Hotel, because it is far to travel 2 Pizza's, 10 minutes. . from the show